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Im not sure if "popping" is even possible in naturally aspirated engines or turbo charged engines. The supercharger itself is what actually makes the crackling noises. Im sure there are turbos out there from AMG that will crackle but its mechanically orchestrated or something.
It happens when I dont change gears and the rpm reaches the upper 6k.

The gear number will change to red on the dashboard :)
 
Malek,

Sounds like you would prefer the SQ5 which is perfectly fine.


For my money I think the F-Pace blows the SQ5 away in looks both the old version and even the new one that I think is still mundane looking. Keep in mind I did own an S-Line Audi Q7 with 21" wheels in 2012 and I thought then it was absolutely the prettiest SUV on the planet. They Supercharged V6 was also very sporty, but it would drink Oil like a 20 year old american V8. It burned 1 quart every 5k miles or so, and Audi told me that was normal. I also lost a rear axle at 18k miles. So that left a bad taste for me when it comes to Audi. I still like the looks of their vehicles and I think their interiors and audio systems are the best around, but mechanically...not so much.

By the way, I think the older version of the Q7 is much prettier and sporty looking than what Audi did with the new version. The new version is too boxy and the change is far to conservative with the competition they now have.
 
It happens when I dont change gears and the rpm reaches the upper 6k.

The gear number will change to red on the dashboard :)
Im referring to the SQ5... the Jaguar has a supercharger, that is why it can achieve the crackling, you can achieve the crackling at 4000 RPM in neutral or Park. But the only reason you are able to make the engine 'crackle & pop' is because it has a supercharger. The only other way to achieve the crackling in a NA engine or turbo charged engine would be a very well engineered exhaust sound, like something from AMG. But Jaguars is all Natural because of the supercharger.
 
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Malek,

Sounds like you would prefer the SQ5 which is perfectly fine.


For my money I think the F-Pace blows the SQ5 away in looks both the old version and even the new one that I think is still mundane looking. Keep in mind I did own an S-Line Audi Q7 with 21" wheels in 2012 and I thought then it was absolutely the prettiest SUV on the planet. They Supercharged V6 was also very sporty, but it would drink Oil like a 20 year old american V8. It burned 1 quart every 5k miles or so, and Audi told me that was normal. I also lost a rear axle at 18k miles. So that left a bad taste for me when it comes to Audi. I still like the looks of their vehicles and I think their interiors and audio systems are the best around, but mechanically...not so much.

By the way, I think the older version of the Q7 is much prettier and sporty looking than what Audi did with the new version. The new version is too boxy and the change is far to conservative with the competition they now have.

Actually I do prefer the Jaguar way better, I don't understand how you got this from my comparison :)
 
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Im referring to the SQ5... the Jaguar has a supercharger, that is why it can achieve the crackling, you can achieve the crackling at 4000 RPM in neutral or Park. But the only reason you are able to make the engine 'crackle & pop' is because it has a supercharger. The only other way to achieve the crackling in a NA engine or turbo charged engine would be a very well engineered exhaust sound, like something from AMG. But Jaguars is all Natural because of the supercharger.


The 2014 SQ5 is also supercharged :) No turbo there ;)
 
Own both as well...wife drives the SQ5 and I drive the F-Pace.


SQ5 definitely feels quicker - haven't lined up with the wife for a 0-60 mph test but I have a feeling the SQ5 will edge out the F-Pace even with comparable times.


The F-Pace is definitely more comfortable but the SQ5 is sportier. My wife enjoys riding in the F-Pace every once in a while because it gives her a break from the stiffer SQ5 suspension. And the SQ5 is easier to get into a sporty mode compared to the F-Pace.


Both great looking cars although the F-Pace is newer compared to the SQ5, but the 2018 SQ5 should bring that back to near equal. The SQ5 is slightly smaller, so that is a plus for the F-Pace.


I love Audis - had a 2014 S4 Prestige with everything on it including sport differential and loved it. While I love the mechanics behind the SQ5, not a huge fan of the SUV or Audi SUVs in general. Prefer the F-Pace. Oddly enough, prefer the Audi sedans/coupes over the Jaguar sedans/coupes.
 
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Actually I do prefer the Jaguar way better, I don't understand how you got this from my comparison :)
Sometimes my brain works in strange ways even I don't understand. Sorry Malak! Go Jaguar, boo Audi... Oh my can't wait for the replies on that one.
 
Own both as well...wife drives the SQ5 and I drive the F-Pace.


SQ5 definitely feels quicker - haven't lined up with the wife for a 0-60 mph test but I have a feeling the SQ5 will edge out the F-Pace even with comparable times.


The F-Pace is definitely more comfortable but the SQ5 is sportier. My wife enjoys riding in the F-Pace every once in a while because it gives her a break from the stiffer SQ5 suspension. And the SQ5 is easier to get into a sporty mode compared to the F-Pace.


Both great looking cars although the F-Pace is newer compared to the SQ5, but the 2018 SQ5 should bring that back to near equal. The SQ5 is slightly smaller, so that is a plus for the F-Pace.


I love Audis - had a 2014 S4 Prestige with everything on it including sport differential and loved it. While I love the mechanics behind the SQ5, not a huge fan of the SUV or Audi SUVs in general. Prefer the F-Pace. Oddly enough, prefer the Audi sedans/coupes over the Jaguar sedans/coupes.
Im not sure any suspension is stiffer than the F-paces... I feel every bump and the F-pace definitely does not smoothly glide over them; which I am okay with. Im not sure how any car could be easier than the F-pace to get into a sporty mode. You just hit an arrow on the center console and your in dynamic mode... not sure if you can verbally tell the Audi to enter its sportiest mode but thats the only way it would be easier I think.
 
The Audi just needs a flick of the gear shift down and its in sport mode. Unless you have the adaptive dampers, the dynamic mode in the car is just a change in steering feel and engine noise level.


For the F-Pace, you have to hit the arrow to Dynamic and change the gear lever to Sport. It also takes a second to confirm it all...whereas the Audi is extremely quick once the gear lever is pushed down.


As for suspension...I definitely feel the SQ5 is stiffer...it does not glide as comfortably over imperfections as the F-Pace does. It's noticeable, to my wife and I at least. To each their own though :).
 
Im not sure if "popping" is even possible in naturally aspirated engines or turbo charged engines.
If the "pop" is the usual one, it can happen any time unburned fuel ends up in the exhaust or intake and ignites. Probably way easier to do when we had carbs instead of computer controlled injection systems but it doesn't take a turbo or supercharger to happen.
 
If the "pop" is the usual one, it can happen any time unburned fuel ends up in the exhaust or intake and ignites. Probably way easier to do when we had carbs instead of computer controlled injection systems but it doesn't take a turbo or supercharger to happen.
Well I've never heard any modern engine crackle and pop unless it was supercharged or a turbocharged engine created by AMG
 
For N/A engine, exhaust crackle & pops can be done by a tuner with ignition timing and perhaps injection setting adjusted. There's nothing much to do with force induction.

This video shows a tuned N/A Mazda MX5 2.0 with crackle pop
 
Well I've never heard any modern engine crackle and pop unless it was supercharged or a turbocharged engine created by AMG
Well, that is because they are being sporty with the tuning and leaving some unburned fuel during transitions. I'll bet that happens more easily if you are pushing the fuel through at higher pressures like with a turbo or supercharger. Check out youtube for tuner cars; they all crackle and pop. Not a bad thing!
 
Well, that is because they are being sporty with the tuning and leaving some unburned fuel during transitions. I'll bet that happens more easily if you are pushing the fuel through at higher pressures like with a turbo or supercharger. Check out youtube for tuner cars; they all crackle and pop. Not a bad thing!
Well goodness a tuner car can do anything now a days. All im saying is the supercharger is known for the crackle and pop. I only know that because I googled why the superchargers make the sound haha
 
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The Audi just needs a flick of the gear shift down and its in sport mode. Unless you have the adaptive dampers, the dynamic mode in the car is just a change in steering feel and engine noise level.


For the F-Pace, you have to hit the arrow to Dynamic and change the gear lever to Sport. It also takes a second to confirm it all...whereas the Audi is extremely quick once the gear lever is pushed down.


As for suspension...I definitely feel the SQ5 is stiffer...it does not glide as comfortably over imperfections as the F-Pace does. It's noticeable, to my wife and I at least. To each their own though :).
Actually to get the real sports mode in the SQ5, you need to be both in Dynamic mode and hit the S gear. The S alone is not the same in comfort mode.

The SQ5 doesn't have the adaptatives damper until next years model, the SQ5 is for sure stiffer with the 21' 40 profile tires.
 
Actually to get the real sports mode in the SQ5, you need to be both in Dynamic mode and hit the S gear. The S alone is not the same in comfort mode.
Yes it is. The S transmission mode does the same thing to the engine/transmission as putting it in Dynamic. The only difference is that Dynamic ALSO adjusts other body related components (and since the SQ doesn't have the sports diff or adaptive dampers, that's all it does).

I've not found anywhere that shows proof that the Audi Dynamic mode adjusts engine/transmission timing/shift points WITHOUT putting the transmission to S (which it does automatically when Dynamic is selected).

My understanding is that the Jaguar F Pace DOES adjust shift points or timing when just in Dynamic but not in S transmission mode.
 
^That...for the Audi, looking at the different modes, they only adjust the steering feel (which does nothing for actual performance) and the sound of the engine. Putting it in Sport mode is the only thing that changes the performance and all that does is change the transmission - makes for shifting at higher RPMs.




Wasn't sure if the SQ5 had the adaptive dampers like the S4 does (as an option), so the modes only really change the level of comfort.
 
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Let's agree to disagree... to get the best performance on the SQ5, you have to put it in Dynamic + Sports mode... and turn off ESC.

Comfort and Sports mode is not the same thing at all.

And I am not alone saying this, this is straight from the SQ5 enthusiast forum.
 
No one said comfort and sports mode were the same.

I'm saying it as a current S4 owner with adaptive dynamics which is the same program as used in the SQ5 except the sports diff and adaptive dampers..I win.

The topic at hand....new SQ5 was released today. Styling is still meh for me but comparable performance to the F Pace with all the tech too.
 
I was a little disappointed with the new SQ5 specs - hp stays about the same although torque goes up. Hope its lighter. Like the looks of it though and can see my wife wanting one in about 4 years, haha.
 
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