I have a 2019 F-Pace S and with the regular scheduled maintenance . . . no issues. Now waiting for the 5-year warranty to expire . . . and then let's see what happens, hehe.
Is it me? Or does everyone think fpace are a maintenance nightmare
Two years ago I bought a 2019 fpace. It had 29k miles when I bought it. So it still had the jag warranty up to 60k miles. I put over 25k miles on it and I had zero problems with it. It was honestly one of the most solid cars I have ever owned. I have had Honda's, ford's, Hyundai's, jeeps, Audi's etc. So why is the jag getting such a bad wrap? I actually own a GMC Terrain now and it is the most boring, weakest car I have ever owned. I recently found a 2019 fpace that has 23k miles on it and I really really want to get it. My problem is that I'm getting cold feet on getting it because I'm worried about issues that may come up. But it still has 16 months or 38k miles on the warranty. I'm not rich and I don't have $30k in the bank for car expenses. Should I be worried about getting it? It would be my daily driving car. And I work from home, lol. It's a 2019 2.5 premium. It's beautiful!
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I bought an extended warranty for mine on my 2018. I know most people aren't in favor of this, but I look at it like this.... for 4K my vehicle is covered at the highest-level including loaners for 6 more years. We don't put many miles on it and we intend to keep it that long if it holds together. 4K is cheap money compared to replacing it with anything else to get me thru 5-6 more years.
Many to most problems show up in the 60-100K mile range and any trip to the dealer where I am for any appreciable fix could easily be 2K. If I don't use the warranty, it won't be the worst money I've ever wasted...And I kept a decent vehicle much less expensively than replacing it...and getting 30-40 MPG along the way....
Many to most problems show up in the 60-100K mile range and any trip to the dealer where I am for any appreciable fix could easily be 2K. If I don't use the warranty, it won't be the worst money I've ever wasted...And I kept a decent vehicle much less expensively than replacing it...and getting 30-40 MPG along the way....
I think it's probably just the consistency of ones like yours and my 2019 and 2021. While 8 out of 10 F-Paces out there are probably issue free, the 2 that have issues do have a voice and it carries. Two of my jags, the 19 and 21 so far have been rock solid other than a couple new entertainment system bugs with the 2021. The 2019 I had for a few years with no issues whatsoever. I did have a 2017 and while I loved it enough to get another one, I did have some issues with that. Transfer Case Leaks, Rear Springs, Seat issues, tons of issues with ICTP, among some other things the car was hit with. But I did love the car, that is the other thing you'll see with folks on this. People with issues still love their cars. That isn't everyone obviously, but it does seem to be true most of the time.
Ok so I bought a 2017 S First Edition with 29k in spring of 2021. Factory warranty was expired so I drove it sparingly until the end of 2021 and purchased a warranty from Carshield. Winter was upon us and I didn’t drive it much but I started smelling coolant so I took it to the dealer and was informed it needed a new water pump. Had around 33k on it and Carshield wouldn’t cover because I didn’t put enough miles on car after I bought warranty ( some of their fine print) so be careful with that outfit so that was over 3k repair. Oh and you would expect the dealer to replace a few hoses that are related to the water pump so you don’t end up back there in a month or two but NO. Had to go back two more times because hoses were bad and got charged big money for those. Then a second water pump had to be put on after the first one failed. A year later I was still smelling coolant and pretty sure it was still leaking. Then the alternator went bad at 41k and I got stranded on the road. I got rid of that car and decided to give Jag a second chance. Bought a 2020 Fpace S with 26k CPO with almost 4 years of warranty left. Have had the car for 30 days and the damn alternator went bad. WTF I mean this is total crap. This was almost $50k vehicle this should not be happening and Jaguar knows about these issues and they don’t care. They look beautiful, they drive exceptional but my Ford is much more reliable.
That sounds like it might have just been bad luck.
Mechanically speaking there are some common issues with the 3.0 SC V6 powered ones
- a few people have reported rear diff failures
The plastic coolant pipe issue is annoying and it seems that every 3.0 SC will need them replaced with the upgraded parts. I’m planning to preemptively replace the cooling system components, including the water pump, for peace of mind.
Given how the coolant pipe issue seems to affect every JLR model with this engine, perhaps there will be a recall or class action to help offset the expense and inconvenience.
Mechanically speaking there are some common issues with the 3.0 SC V6 powered ones
- water pump
- plastic coolant pipes
- O2 sensors (there was a recall and there is an extended JLR warranty on them)
- a few people have reported rear diff failures
The plastic coolant pipe issue is annoying and it seems that every 3.0 SC will need them replaced with the upgraded parts. I’m planning to preemptively replace the cooling system components, including the water pump, for peace of mind.
Given how the coolant pipe issue seems to affect every JLR model with this engine, perhaps there will be a recall or class action to help offset the expense and inconvenience.
I think the coolant pipes are the most reported issue, although it's not like every car has had the problem. They've been redesigned in later models and there are even aluminum alternative available at this point.
My MY17 F-Pace coolant pipe failed after 4 years (under warranty, thankfully). Meanwhile, my MY14 F-Type, which has the same engine/pipes, has been flawless for nearly 10 years now.
My MY17 F-Pace coolant pipe failed after 4 years (under warranty, thankfully). Meanwhile, my MY14 F-Type, which has the same engine/pipes, has been flawless for nearly 10 years now.
2017 35T premium, 47K miles. Only repair so far (other than a bumper replacement resulting from collision with a tire carcass) was one O2 sensor replacement. So far FPace has exceeded expectations. But all this coolant pipe talk has me a little concerned. Would be curious to know if this is something that is affecting a few vehicles, or will eventually some majority succumb? Also, have any DIYers tackled the issue on their own? I recently saw a Land Rover forum where someone did the repair.
We have a '17 S, just passed 50K miles, runs like a top, we need her to last so did full drive trane fluid change at 1000 miles, 30000 and will do again at 60000. We change oil/filter every 7500 miles. Rinse like the proverbial ape. Love her muchly.Two years ago I bought a 2019 fpace. It had 29k miles when I bought it. So it still had the jag warranty up to 60k miles. I put over 25k miles on it and I had zero problems with it. It was honestly one of the most solid cars I have ever owned. I have had Honda's, ford's, Hyundai's, jeeps, Audi's etc. So why is the jag getting such a bad wrap? I actually own a GMC Terrain now and it is the most boring, weakest car I have ever owned. I recently found a 2019 fpace that has 23k miles on it and I really really want to get it. My problem is that I'm getting cold feet on getting it because I'm worried about issues that may come up. But it still has 16 months or 38k miles on the warranty. I'm not rich and I don't have $30k in the bank for car expenses. Should I be worried about getting it? It would be my daily driving car. And I work from home, lol. It's a 2019 2.5 premium. It's beautiful!
RUNS like the proverbial ape-hate auto correctWe have a '17 S, just passed 50K miles, runs like a top, we need her to last so did full drive trane fluid change at 1000 miles, 30000 and will do again at 60000. We change oil/filter every 7500 miles. Rinse like the proverbial ape. Love her muchly.
good logic!I bought an extended warranty for mine on my 2018. I know most people aren't in favor of this, but I look at it like this.... for 4K my vehicle is covered at the highest-level including loaners for 6 more years. We don't put many miles on it and we intend to keep it that long if it holds together. 4K is cheap money compared to replacing it with anything else to get me thru 5-6 more years.
Many to most problems show up in the 60-100K mile range and any trip to the dealer where I am for any appreciable fix could easily be 2K. If I don't use the warranty, it won't be the worst money I've ever wasted...And I kept a decent vehicle much less expensively than replacing it...and getting 30-40 MPG along the way....
No doubt there will be those who can relate personal stories of financial disaster relating to Jaguar ownership however I can say that our experience has been nothing but positive. I have F Pace 3.0s (2017), XK 4.2 na conv. (2008) and my wife drives the Xtype 3.0 AWD wagon (2004). No major issues beyond normal replacement of consumables on any of them. The Xtype has a minor oil leak but then the car ( and therefore the rubber parts) is 19 years old. I think there are two main reasons for the bad rep. 1) industrial conflict back in the Thatcher era - resulting in iffy build quality - an unhappy workforce is not going to produce good work. 2) Hostile journalists ( press and TV ) . Perhaps JLR was not generous enough with the freebies. A high profile popular journalist with a negative view can do a lot of damage. I Have stories but would take too long to relate here.Two years ago I bought a 2019 fpace. It had 29k miles when I bought it. So it still had the jag warranty up to 60k miles. I put over 25k miles on it and I had zero problems with it. It was honestly one of the most solid cars I have ever owned. I have had Honda's, ford's, Hyundai's, jeeps, Audi's etc. So why is the jag getting such a bad wrap? I actually own a GMC Terrain now and it is the most boring, weakest car I have ever owned. I recently found a 2019 fpace that has 23k miles on it and I really really want to get it. My problem is that I'm getting cold feet on getting it because I'm worried about issues that may come up. But it still has 16 months or 38k miles on the warranty. I'm not rich and I don't have $30k in the bank for car expenses. Should I be worried about getting it? It would be my daily driving car. And I work from home, lol. It's a 2019 2.5 premium. It's beautiful!
Further to this there is the jealousy element. Some friends tell me how unreliable and problematic Jaguars are - the kicker here is that none have actually owned one (!). Almost everyone I know drives a German car….they tell themselves that they are somehow better. To me most of these cars are simply mass market ‘ grocery getters’ and not IMO to be viewed as in any way premium, despite what their owners think Or how they are marketed. On the subject of these I have personal knowledge ( family members) of two top end models from these makers that let their owners down spectacularly, an M5 with a seized engine -resulting in a huge engine rebuild bill and a VW Phaeton whose HP fuel pump disintegrated with the parts ingested into the engine rendering it beyond economical repair. Both of these were sudden engine stops while in motion. BTW if you Google ‘BMW engine’ fire or ‘BMW and UK police‘ or ‘BMW and Uk police officer’ it makes for some interesting and informative reading.
RE. Warranties, I never buy after market warranty’s, they are simply insurance with huge premiums paid for an event that MIGHT occur. I may live to regret that view one day but never needed one yet, still a novice though with only 50 years of driving this year…..
Well, you have been lucky....No doubt there will be those who can relate personal stories of financial disaster relating to Jaguar ownership however I can say that our experience has been nothing but positive. I have F Pace 3.0s (2017), XK 4.2 na conv. (2008) and my wife drives the Xtype 3.0 AWD wagon (2004). No major issues beyond normal replacement of consumables on any of them. The Xtype has a minor oil leak but then the car ( and therefore the rubber parts) is 19 years old. I think there are two main reasons for the bad rep. 1) industrial conflict back in the Thatcher era - resulting in iffy build quality - an unhappy workforce is not going to produce good work. 2) Hostile journalists ( press and TV ) . Perhaps JLR was not generous enough with the freebies. A high profile popular journalist with a negative view can do a lot of damage. I Have stories but would take too long to relate here.
Further to this there is the jealousy element. Some friends tell me how unreliable and problematic Jaguars are - the kicker here is that none have actually owned one (!). Almost everyone I know drives a German car….they tell themselves that they are somehow better. To me most of these cars are simply mass market ‘ grocery getters’ and not IMO to be viewed as in any way premium, despite what their owners think Or how they are marketed. On the subject of these I have personal knowledge ( family members) of two top end models from these makers that let their owners down spectacularly, an M5 with a seized engine -resulting in a huge engine rebuild bill and a VW Phaeton whose HP fuel pump disintegrated with the parts ingested into the engine rendering it beyond economical repair. Both of these were sudden engine stops while in motion. BTW if you Google ‘BMW engine’ fire or ‘BMW and UK police‘ or ‘BMW and Uk police officer’ it makes for some interesting and informative reading.
RE. Warranties, I never buy after market warranty’s, they are simply insurance with huge premiums paid for an event that MIGHT occur. I may live to regret that view one day but never needed one yet, still a novice though with only 50 years of driving this year…..
We own 2 of them and so far, have been lucky too, But I'll be the 1st one to say this ain't a Toyota Camry.. nor do I trust them like one....
My luck is insured by a warranty current or extended. When one of these has a reasonable problem, a 2k bill is on its way minimum.
Well, my experience may not be anything like yours but I got the extended warranty on my 2018 Premium and the entire steering rack failed about 2k miles out of the warranty period. I had to pay A LOT to get that fixed. The dealership actually went to bat for me saying that this never should have happened, it was not a wearable part. It was literally the steering components. Jag did split the cost with me, but I still had to pay a couple thousand dollars to get it done. I was furious and instantly did not trust the car.
But, the dealership now owns the warranty on every single component they touched to make this repair. Which involved dropping the engine/trans off the chassis to get to the steering components. I ended up only getting about 20k miles on the car before I hit a deer and it was totaled
The aluminum body just crumbled like pop can.
So I seriously suggest that you get VERY good insurance on these cars.
But, the dealership now owns the warranty on every single component they touched to make this repair. Which involved dropping the engine/trans off the chassis to get to the steering components. I ended up only getting about 20k miles on the car before I hit a deer and it was totaled
The aluminum body just crumbled like pop can.
So I seriously suggest that you get VERY good insurance on these cars.
I've had three and my 2017 had several issues that I had to work through with the dealership. At that time most of them were covered under warrantee. my 2019 was an SVR and it was rock solid until the end only service visits and software updates. My 2021 which is also a SVR hasn't been as smooth as the 2019, but for the most part the issues I've had have been handled with normal services visits when I needed to change the oil. I do change the oil every 6k to 8k miles regularly. pay for every other oil change due to that. I clearly love the car and would buy another one if they were still making the SVR and the V8s longer term.
I have a ‘17 S with 56k mikes and I’m glad I bought the extended warranty. It was roughly $4k and covers me an additional 5yr up to 100k. Before my factory warranty was up, I only had a rear door actuator fail (warranty), and I had to have the brake pads and all 4 rotors replaced around 35k miles because they had worn inconsistently causing vibrations (not a warranty item $2400). Since then, it’s been to the dealer twice. Once for a failed PCV valve ($300 I think - covered by ext warranty) and brake system flush because the fluid was pretty dirty ($400) once for the front passenger door actuator, both covered under the extended warranty. While it was in for service, the tech noticed a slight coolant smell, and upon inspection found the coolant pipe issue and both valve covers seeping a bit of oil. They updated the whole tubing system and airboxes to the new design, resealed the valve covers, replaced all of the seals and such along the way since the whole top of the motor was off during the process (lots of parts and labor). It and the door actuator were covered under the extended warranty ($3300). So I’m a year and a half out of the factory warranty and at $4k. I’ve still got 2 more years and 40k miles of coverage left, so I’ve essentially broke even at this point already, so I’m happy that I bought the extended warranty. I still love the car and get compliments on it all the time. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy another one, but for me personally I would definitely buy a service contract if I planned to keep it longer than the factory warranty.
An excellent strategy for these vehicles. I did the same for my 2018, and if it allows me to keep it for 4+ more years, it was a great investment vs a new or newer vehicle.I have a ‘17 S with 56k mikes and I’m glad I bought the extended warranty. It was roughly $4k and covers me an additional 5yr up to 100k. Before my factory warranty was up, I only had a rear door actuator fail (warranty), and I had to have the brake pads and all 4 rotors replaced around 35k miles because they had worn inconsistently causing vibrations (not a warranty item $2400). Since then, it’s been to the dealer twice. Once for a failed PCV valve ($300 I think - covered by ext warranty) and brake system flush because the fluid was pretty dirty ($400) once for the front passenger door actuator, both covered under the extended warranty. While it was in for service, the tech noticed a slight coolant smell, and upon inspection found the coolant pipe issue and both valve covers seeping a bit of oil. They updated the whole tubing system and airboxes to the new design, resealed the valve covers, replaced all of the seals and such along the way since the whole top of the motor was off during the process (lots of parts and labor). It and the door actuator were covered under the extended warranty ($3300). So I’m a year and a half out of the factory warranty and at $4k. I’ve still got 2 more years and 40k miles of coverage left, so I’ve essentially broke even at this point already, so I’m happy that I bought the extended warranty. I still love the car and get compliments on it all the time. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy another one, but for me personally I would definitely buy a service contract if I planned to keep it longer than the factory warranty.
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