Does anyone know if Jaguar is working on offering Apple CarPlay (or the Android version for that matter)? I understand that InControl should sync a number of things from our phones to the F-Pace, but is there anything it doesn't do that Apple CarPlay does? Thanks!
Apple CarPlay?
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I'm not 100% sure about the F-Pace itself but I do know Jaguar is on Apple's list of Car Manufacturers who support Apple Car Play. Unfortunately the F-Pace or XE isn't listed on the models page but that could be because the car is so new and this apple page could be outdated.
(Go to models to see available models for each manufacturer)
http://www.apple.com/ios/carplay/
They dont' support it and I read that they don't have any plans to support it currently in the future either. HUGE negative there, guessing they'll reverse themselves in a year or two but us early adopters will likely be out of luck.
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Considering the time and expense they've invested on InControl, I suspect Jaguar will have to go kicking and screaming to a third party system. I am anxious to see how the new Pro system works.
I also wonder if the Ethernet internals will allow for updates going forward (like Tesla seems to do)
I also wonder if the Ethernet internals will allow for updates going forward (like Tesla seems to do)
Any idea why so many manufacturers are delaying here? Is it that they have to pay apple or google big licensing fees to integrate the options and they just don't want to stomach it?
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Automakers cant keep up with the phone makers. Apple and Android phone makers release a new phone every year, a new OS and new patches for the OS. Carplay and Android Auto of different versions may interact differently with cars that may be integrated to older versions of these software. Also except Tesla no other car manufacturer has successfully rolled out an over the air (OTA) update. Most cars the core computer updates happens at the dealer.
The second thing is the data. Auto makes dont want to give away the data to apple and android- because there is a great revenue potential for this data. For example today a number of insurance companies offer a dongle which monitors your driving and based on certain parameters you get a discount on your insurance premium. Once cars have connectivity (SIM card), the manufacture can then monitor this and sell this data to insurance companies instead of them investing in making dongles. Almost all manufactures have a connected vehicle technology group that is working on this.
Thirdly some of the premium car makers think that if they were to integrate Android or Apple and the software malfunctions then customers will say that the XYZ car is not working and not that the software of the phone is not working. They dont want this negative publicity (this has probably cooled over the years).
Other than apple and android, Samsung and Intel are working on the Tizen platform- which supports connected car use cases. Ford is working on OpenXC and urging other car makers to adopt this standard platform.
Over the next few years I expect car-phone integration to become an universal module with some basic feature and an open platform (like OpenXC) which allows developers to access car data and develop applications for cars and you can buy it from you car screen as you would on your phone or tablet.
One can only image how this will change with driver less cars- car makers may have to set up massive technology capability to make cars drive on their own- they are already doing this. One the entertainment side- imagine a scenario where you sit in your self driven Jaguar F Pace 2021 model and buy the latest movie from the InControl Appstore and watch it while your car drives you from one place to another
The second thing is the data. Auto makes dont want to give away the data to apple and android- because there is a great revenue potential for this data. For example today a number of insurance companies offer a dongle which monitors your driving and based on certain parameters you get a discount on your insurance premium. Once cars have connectivity (SIM card), the manufacture can then monitor this and sell this data to insurance companies instead of them investing in making dongles. Almost all manufactures have a connected vehicle technology group that is working on this.
Thirdly some of the premium car makers think that if they were to integrate Android or Apple and the software malfunctions then customers will say that the XYZ car is not working and not that the software of the phone is not working. They dont want this negative publicity (this has probably cooled over the years).
Other than apple and android, Samsung and Intel are working on the Tizen platform- which supports connected car use cases. Ford is working on OpenXC and urging other car makers to adopt this standard platform.
Over the next few years I expect car-phone integration to become an universal module with some basic feature and an open platform (like OpenXC) which allows developers to access car data and develop applications for cars and you can buy it from you car screen as you would on your phone or tablet.
One can only image how this will change with driver less cars- car makers may have to set up massive technology capability to make cars drive on their own- they are already doing this. One the entertainment side- imagine a scenario where you sit in your self driven Jaguar F Pace 2021 model and buy the latest movie from the InControl Appstore and watch it while your car drives you from one place to another
There was a review that said that and another said it supports it currently, so who knows.
And no, they don't have to pay fees to Apple or Google to license it, they just don't want to give them access to all of the data, since that is key being that self driving cars are the future--they don't want to become dependent on them.
Every car manufacturer is obsessed about control. They think they could
use that screen space in car to generate another revenue stream. But the truth is all of them suck in providing services especially IT ones. They will never be able to create decent AppStore. They will never open car platform to 3rd party developers. They will fight with common sense (Apple or Android) like music labels (and consumers!) fought before iTunes until companies like Tesla, Apple, Google will make car manufacturers just no name procedures of chassis with 3D printed designs unique to each buyer. Just saying ;-)
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For Christmas I gave myself a present of upgrading the 2007 aftermarket navigation system I had in my 2007 Toyota 4 Runner. I put in a Pioneer 6100NX with XM radio. The Pioneer unit has its own navigation system but more importantly full Apple CarPlay. I think it can also support Google's system. CarPlay is GREAT! Familiar interface, full access to podcasts, music, Apple map/navigation, address book, messages and the Siri control is pretty darn good. It is super convenient. The Pioneer is also user upgradeable though it's a little cumbersome. You get something like a year of maps updates then pay a subscription fee after that. Also allows you to add some additional features. Overall it was a great update to my loyal, sturdy 4 Runner which has driven the toughest Colorado 4WD roads, across country many times and hauled a ton of stuff and several dogs.
Before ordering my FPACE I sat in another Jaguar at dealer and played with InControl Pro for an hour. Even though it's pretty responsive and has some neat features it just feels so primitive compared to CarPlay. I'm from the software industry and the interface is just very basic essentially icon driven menus in a very traditional menu structure. I took a look at Porsche where the newest Macans have CarPlay.
In the end I decided to sacrifice my desire for CarPlay to get the FPACE. I am dearly hoping that Jaguar will upgrade InControl IN EXISTING vehicles so that it will also support CarPlay. All the BS about losing data to Apple is just that BS. What data?
As with any major software platform it has to be the case that a platform whose development services millions of users, developed by software/interface experts, is going to be superior and advance more quickly than a proprietary platform built by a car manufacturer for a much small set of users.
Hope everyone will bug Jaguar on this subject. Apple ought to kick them off the CarPlay list if they don't come out with something soon. Would love to know if anyone has heard or seen anything authoritative about the potential for InControl upgrades to Apple CarPlay support down the road.
Before ordering my FPACE I sat in another Jaguar at dealer and played with InControl Pro for an hour. Even though it's pretty responsive and has some neat features it just feels so primitive compared to CarPlay. I'm from the software industry and the interface is just very basic essentially icon driven menus in a very traditional menu structure. I took a look at Porsche where the newest Macans have CarPlay.
In the end I decided to sacrifice my desire for CarPlay to get the FPACE. I am dearly hoping that Jaguar will upgrade InControl IN EXISTING vehicles so that it will also support CarPlay. All the BS about losing data to Apple is just that BS. What data?
As with any major software platform it has to be the case that a platform whose development services millions of users, developed by software/interface experts, is going to be superior and advance more quickly than a proprietary platform built by a car manufacturer for a much small set of users.
Hope everyone will bug Jaguar on this subject. Apple ought to kick them off the CarPlay list if they don't come out with something soon. Would love to know if anyone has heard or seen anything authoritative about the potential for InControl upgrades to Apple CarPlay support down the road.
I was as excited as you are until realized how small number of apps supported by CarPlay. For example Waze I'm constantly using on iPhone is not there. Apple is very restrictive what goes on dashboard and most apps currently doing same thing: music, voice, podcasts. There is so much additional value could be built
on top of existing online services. But Apple is not interested, Google is not interested, car manufacturers are not interested either. Dead end
That's why I wasn't springing for the tech package, it's already antiquated technology and it will only get worse with time.
If they told me they could issue a software update for $500-1000 extra that enabled CarPlay Id pay for it without hesitation.
If they told me they could issue a software update for $500-1000 extra that enabled CarPlay Id pay for it without hesitation.
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Walt Mossberg:Apple and Google Should Win War for the Dashboard:
Mossberg: Apple and Google should win the war for the dashboard | The Verge
Please print and send to your dealer
Mossberg: Apple and Google should win the war for the dashboard | The Verge
Please print and send to your dealer
Good article. Both Google and Apple benefit from testing UI on millions of users rather than car systems tested on (hopefully) thousands. Unfortunately dealer can't do anything about it. When InTouch infotainment system in my Infiniti failed in many areas I notified my dealer first. He is a good guy but told me such questions usually managed on a high product level where input from customers or dealers rarely considered.Walt Mossberg:Apple and Google Should Win War for the Dashboard:
Mossberg: Apple and Google should win the war for the dashboard | The Verge
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Driving data, location based advertising data, driving patterns data. OBD-II data. Spending patterns data. On-demand service data. All of these translate into real $$$ to car makers.
The car industry is probably facing its single most disruption since- forever. Google and Apple are now their competitors and not just phone makers. BMW and MB just turned down Apple for the Apple car project. The reason- both Apple and Google want to lock the car makers into their ecosystem. What the car makers are wanting- they want to license technology from Apple/ Google and use it how ever they want. As autonomous cars become a reality this data will become the very brain of the car and decide the existence of a car maker.
Also there are the legal issues- what happens if an app is added that causes an accident? Would apple/ google sign up for liability? No.
Personally, I wouldn't buy a vehicle based on what phone it supports- but I do hope that automaker soon adopt a open standards that allow easy integration of multiple mobile platforms and OTA updates to ensure new features are pushed to the car.
With or without app driver is responsible.
For autonomous cars it's actually more complicated but they don't have apps THEY ARE APP
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